Modernism and You

When did modernism strart?

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Modernism did not have a single start date in the way a treaty might be signed, but historically it emerged in the late 19th century and developed into a fully articulated cultural movement in the early 20th century.

Key points to situate its beginning:

• The roots of Modernism appear in the late 1800s as artists, writers, and thinkers began rejecting traditional forms and conventions.
• In literature and culture, Modernism took clearer shape around the late 19th and early 20th centuries (roughly 1890–1910).
• In specific disciplines, such as literary Modernism, the movement is often associated with works produced before and after World War I (1914–1918)—for example, Ulysses (1922) is widely cited as a defining modernist text.
• In art and culture broadly, Modernism is placed roughly between the 1860s and mid-20th century, but the most intense period of innovation and self-conscious break with tradition is the late 19th to early 20th century.

Summary: Modernism began emerging in the late 1800s, matured into a coherent movement in the early 1900s, and dominated Western arts and culture through the mid-20th century.

How is it defined?

ChatGPT,:

Modernism is defined not by a date but by a principled rupture with inherited forms of thought, art, and meaning.

At its core, Modernism is the self-conscious rejection of tradition as authoritative and the assertion that human beings must construct meaning without appeal to inherited metaphysical, moral, aesthetic, or narrative frameworks.

Formal Definition

Modernism is a cultural–intellectual movement characterized by:

1. Rejection of Tradition Classical forms, religious authority, teleology, and inherited moral structures are treated as obsolete, constraining, or illusory.

2. Primacy of Subjectivity Meaning is grounded in individual perception, consciousness, and experience rather than objective order or shared norms.

3. Fragmentation Reality is understood as discontinuous: fractured narratives, broken forms, dislocated perspectives, and unstable identities replace unity and coherence.

4. Formal Experimentation Traditional structures are deliberately dismantled—whether in literature, art, music, or philosophy—in favor of novel, often self-referential forms.

5. Epistemic Skepticism Doubt is cast on the possibility of objective knowledge, stable truth, or metaphysical foundations.

6. Anti-Teleology History is no longer viewed as meaningful progress toward a rational or moral end; purpose is denied or radically privatized.

One-Sentence Definition

Modernism is the attempt to live, think, and create after the collapse of inherited meaning, using human consciousness itself as the primary source of order.

Why This Matters

Modernism is not merely a style—it is a philosophical stance. Once tradition is rejected, form must justify itself, meaning must be manufactured, and truth becomes negotiable. Everything downstream—postmodernism, relativism, aesthetic irony, moral skepticism—presupposes this break.

In short:
Modernism begins when tradition loses its authority and human construction takes its place.

ChatGPT;

Yes. Existentialism is downstream of Modernism, both historically and conceptually—but it is not identical to it.

The Relationship, Precisely Stated

Modernism creates the problem.
Existentialism responds to it.

Modernism dismantles inherited structures of meaning: God, teleology, objective moral order, stable metaphysics. Once those are rejected, the individual is left facing a vacuum. Existentialism arises as a philosophy of what it is like to live inside that vacuum.

How Existentialism Emerges from Modernism

1. Shared Starting Point

   • Rejection of traditional metaphysical and religious authority
   • Skepticism toward objective meaning
   • Emphasis on lived experience over abstract systems

2. Modernism’s Contribution

   • Meaning is no longer discovered; it is questioned or dissolved.
   • The world is fragmented, contingent, and indifferent.
   • Human consciousness is isolated.

3. Existentialism’s Response

   • Takes meaninglessness seriously as a lived condition.
   • Centers freedom, choice, anxiety, responsibility, and authenticity.
   • Asks: How should one live when there is no given meaning?

Key Distinction

• Modernism is primarily diagnostic and destructive: it breaks forms, dissolves certainties, and rejects authority.
• Existentialism is normative and practical: it attempts to articulate how an individual ought to live under those conditions.

Important Clarification

Not all existential thinkers are equally modernist:

• Kierkegaard anticipates existentialism but is not a modernist in the full sense; he reacts against rationalism and crowd-thinking while retaining theological commitments.
• Nietzsche is a transitional figure: he destroys inherited morality and meaning but attempts a revaluation.
• Sartre and Camus represent fully modernist existentialism: atheistic, anti-teleological, and grounded in radical human freedom.

Bottom Line

Existentialism presupposes Modernism’s collapse of objective meaning.
Without that collapse, existentialism has no problem to solve.

Modernism clears the ground.
Existentialism asks how to stand on it.

T. S. Eliot?

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T. S. Eliot occupies a precise and often misunderstood position.

Classification

• Formally: Modernist
• Philosophically: Anti-modernist
• Existentially: Diagnostic, not endorsing

What That Means

Eliot uses modernist techniques—fragmentation, allusion, discontinuity, multiple voices—but to expose the spiritual and moral bankruptcy produced by Modernism, not to celebrate it.

Key Points

1. Modernist in Form

   • The Waste Land exemplifies modernist fragmentation.
   • Disrupted narrative, collage of voices, cultural ruins.
   • Radical experimentation with poetic structure.

2. Anti-Modernist in Substance

   • Eliot believed the collapse of tradition leads to cultural and moral decay.
   • He rejected subjectivism, relativism, and self-constructed meaning.
   • His criticism targets the loss of objective order—religious, moral, metaphysical.

3. Relation to Existentialism

   • Eliot describes the existential condition (alienation, despair, meaninglessness).
   • He does not accept it as final.
   • Unlike Sartre or Camus, he does not conclude that meaning must be invented.

4. Resolution

   • Eliot’s later work (Ash-Wednesday, Four Quartets) moves explicitly toward:
     • Tradition
     • Christian metaphysics
     • Objective moral and spiritual order
   • This is a reversal of Modernism’s philosophical trajectory, not a continuation.

One-Sentence Judgment

Eliot is a modernist technician who used modernism to indict modernity.

Why He Matters

Eliot proves that:

• One can diagnose the modern condition without endorsing it.
• Fragmentation can be used as evidence of loss, not a manifesto of freedom.
• Modernist form does not require modernist metaphysics.

He stands at the fault line—inside Modernism stylistically, outside it philosophically.

Ezra Pound: the shattered mirror?

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Yes. “The shattered mirror” is an apt and precise metaphor for Ezra Pound’s position—and for what he was trying to do.

What the Metaphor Captures

The mirror = tradition, culture, objective order.
The shattering = modernity’s rupture.
The fragments = surviving truths, images, forms.

Pound did not believe the mirror could be reassembled whole. He believed it could be used fragment by fragment.

Pound’s Core Claim (Implicit, Not Systematic)

• The past once reflected a coherent order.
• Modernity shattered that coherence.
• Truth still exists, but only in isolated, luminous remnants.
• The task of the poet is to gather, juxtapose, and preserve those fragments before they are lost.

This is not relativism. It is salvage.

Imagism and the Shattered Mirror

Imagism is Pound’s technical response to fragmentation:

• No narrative unity
• No moral synthesis
• No metaphysical explanation
• Only the exact image, precisely rendered

Each image is a shard of the mirror—accurate, sharp, limited.

“An image is that which presents an intellectual and emotional complex in an instant.”

That is the epistemology of a shattered world.

The Cantos: Failure by Design

The Cantos is not chaotic by accident.

• It is a deliberate collage of history, economics, myth, and language.
• No final synthesis emerges.
• No authoritative standpoint is offered.
• Meaning is distributed, not concluded.

This reflects Pound’s conviction that modern consciousness can no longer command total order.

Contrast with Eliot (Crucial)

• Pound: The mirror is shattered; gather the pieces.
• Eliot: The mirror is shattered; the shattering itself is the evidence of loss—and must be transcended.

Pound remains inside modernism’s constraints.
Eliot eventually rejects them.

One-Sentence Judgment

Ezra Pound accepts the shattered mirror as the permanent condition of modernity and devotes himself to preserving its fragments with maximal precision.

He is not celebrating chaos.
He is refusing false wholeness.

Ernest Hemmingway?

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Ernest Hemingway is a Modernist of radical subtraction.

Classification

• Form: Modernist
• Philosophy: Anti-metaphysical, anti-romantic
• Stance: Stoic-adjacent realism without Stoic metaphysics

What Hemingway Is Doing

Hemingway accepts the modernist diagnosis—the collapse of inherited meaning—but rejects both symbolist excess and existential theorizing. His response is to strip language and life to what still holds under pressure.

Defining Features

1. Minimalism as Epistemology

   • Meaning is not explained; it is shown through action.
   • The “iceberg theory” reflects distrust of abstraction.
   • What matters survives omission.

2. Honor Without Metaphysics

   • Courage, endurance, skill, and restraint remain meaningful.
   • No appeal to God, teleology, or objective moral order.
   • Value is enacted, not justified.

3. The Wounded World

   • Postwar disillusion is assumed, not argued.
   • Loss is permanent; innocence does not return.
   • One lives correctly inside damage, not beyond it.

4. Anti-Existential Temperament

   • No anguish about meaninglessness.
   • No theorizing about freedom or absurdity.
   • Action precedes reflection; dignity replaces explanation.

Contrast with Others

• Pound: Salvages fragments of culture.
• Eliot: Diagnoses collapse and seeks transcendence.
• Existentialists: Philosophize the void.
• Hemingway: Lives cleanly inside it.

One-Sentence Judgment

Hemingway accepts modernity’s losses and answers them with discipline, precision, and conduct rather than theory or transcendence.

He is modernist not because he fragments meaning,
but because he refuses to pretend it can be rebuilt—and insists on living well anyway.

F. Scott Fitzgerald.

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F. Scott Fitzgerald is a modernist elegist of illusion.

Classification

• Form: Modernist (selective, not radical)
• Philosophy: Pre-modern longing within a modern world
• Stance: Critical romanticism

What Fitzgerald Is Doing

Fitzgerald does not dismantle meaning the way Pound does, nor strip it down like Hemingway. He tracks the emotional and moral cost of believing in inherited ideals after their social foundations have collapsed.

He writes about people who still believe in the old promises—love, success, self-creation—in a world that can no longer honor them.

Core Features

1. The Persistence of Idealism

   • Characters still reach for beauty, love, greatness.
   • They act as if meaning were stable—even when it isn’t.
   • The tragedy lies in this mismatch.

2. Illusion as Moral Exposure

   • Fitzgerald does not mock illusion.
   • He shows how illusion exhausts, corrodes, and destroys.
   • Gatsby’s dream is sincere—and doomed.

3. Modern Disenchantment, Not Modern Irony

   • He is not cynical in the modernist sense.
   • He mourns rather than deconstructs.
   • Loss is felt, not theorized.

4. Moral Sensibility Without Ground

   • Clear moral perception remains.
   • No metaphysical structure supports it.
   • Judgment exists, but justification is absent.

Contrast with His Contemporaries

• Hemingway: Discipline without illusion.
• Pound: Fragments without sentiment.
• Eliot: Collapse demanding transcendence.
• Fitzgerald: Beauty remembered after it has lost authority.

One-Sentence Judgment

Fitzgerald writes as if the old meanings were still beautiful—even though he knows they can no longer stand.

He is modernist not because he rejects the past,
but because he shows what it costs to keep believing in it.

Did ethical intuitionism come out of any particulsr movement?

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Ethical intuitionism did not arise from Modernism.
It predates it, survives it, and—at key moments—stands in direct opposition to it.

The Short Answer

Ethical intuitionism emerges from moral realism and rationalist ethics, not from any modernist cultural movement. It develops against skepticism, not as a product of it.

Precise Historical Lineage

1. Classical and Medieval Roots

Ethical intuitionism begins with the conviction that moral truths are immediately knowable by reason.

• Plato: the Good is apprehended by intellect, not constructed.
• Aristotle: practical reason (phronēsis) recognizes moral facts directly.
• Natural law traditions: moral norms are grasped, not invented.

This establishes the core intuitionist claim: some moral propositions are self-evidently true.

2. Early Modern Moral Rationalism (17th–18th c.)

Ethical intuitionism becomes explicit as a theory.

• Ralph Cudworth and the Cambridge Platonists
• Samuel Clarke
• Francis Hutcheson (often miscast as sentimentalist; his “moral sense” still tracks objective value)

They argue:

• Moral truths are objective
• Moral wrongness is recognized, not inferred
• Moral knowledge is non-empirical

This is intuitionism in near-canonical form.

3. 19th–Early 20th Century Refinement

Ethical intuitionism reaches its most rigorous articulation before and during early Modernism, but not because of it.

• Henry Sidgwick (The Methods of Ethics)
• G. E. Moore (Principia Ethica)

Moore’s key claims:

• “Good” is a simple, non-natural property
• It is known by direct moral intuition
• Attempts to reduce it (naturalism, emotivism) commit the naturalistic fallacy

This is a rearguard defense of moral objectivity as skepticism rises.

Relation to Modernism (Critical Point)

• Modernism undermines:

  • Metaphysical realism
  • Objective moral order
  • Rational foundations

• Ethical intuitionism asserts:

  • Objective moral facts exist
  • They are directly knowable
  • Skepticism is false, not illuminating

They move in opposite directions.

Modernism dissolves authority.
Ethical intuitionism insists authority was never socially constructed to begin with.

Relation to Existentialism

Existentialism largely rejects ethical intuitionism:

• Sartre denies objective moral facts.
• Values are created by choice, not recognized.
• Moral intuition is replaced by commitment or authenticity.

Where intuitionism says “This is wrong”, existentialism says “You choose what counts as wrong.”

These are incompatible positions.

Bottom Line

Ethical intuitionism is not a modernist product.
It is a classical realist theory that survives into modern philosophy as a principled resistance to relativism, skepticism, and constructivism.

If Modernism begins with the collapse of inherited meaning,o
ethical intuitionism begins with the claim that meaning was never inherited at all—it was always there to be seen.

Can Sterling's intuitionism be seen in opposotion to Modernism?

Claude:

I need to search through your past conversations to understand Sterling's philosophical positions and his relationship to intuitionism and modernism.Excellent question. Yes, absolutely—Sterling's intuitionism is fundamentally opposed to Modernism. Let me create a detailed analysis showing this opposition.I've created a comprehensive analysis showing that Sterling's ethical intuitionism stands in systematic opposition to Modernism—not as a reaction, but as a fundamental philosophical inversion.

The key insight: Sterling's six meta-philosophical commitments form an integrated system that directly contradicts Modernism's core claims. Where Modernism asserts that inherited meaning has collapsed and consciousness must construct order in the void, Sterling asserts that objective moral reality exists and that consciousness apprehends it through rational intuition.

This opposition operates at the deepest level—not aesthetically (like Eliot's diagnosis through modernist form) or practically (like Hemingway's discipline), but systematically and epistemologically. Sterling's intuitionism says: the modernist diagnosis is philosophically false.

The crucial point: This is not defensive. Sterling is not trying to save tradition or restore cultural coherence. He is restoring the classical realist claim that moral reality is objective, knowable, and was never dependent on tradition to begin with. The modernists were wrong about what happened to meaning.