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By Dave Kelly

Tuesday, December 23, 2025

Moral Realism in Epictetus

 

Is there moral realism in Epictetus?

ChatGPT:

There is moral realism in Epictetus — and it is not optional, marginal, or reconstructive. It is built into the grammar of his entire system.

Below is the clean argument.


1. What “moral realism” means in this context

Moral realism =

  • There are objective facts about good and bad.
  • These facts do not depend on opinion, convention, feeling, or choice.
  • Judgments about them can be true or false.
  • Error is possible, correction is meaningful.

That is exactly the world Epictetus presupposes.

If any of that were false, Epictetus’ practice would collapse.

Epictetus is placed firmly in a non-inferential, intuitionist justification model - ChatGPT.


2. Epictetus’ core distinctions presuppose moral realism

A. True vs. false judgments

Epictetus constantly distinguishes:

  • correct impressions vs. false impressions,
  • right assent vs. wrong assent,
  • knowledge vs. ignorance,
  • wisdom vs. folly.

These are not stylistic contrasts. They are truth-evaluable distinctions.

A system that allows “false judgment” already commits to realism about the domain judged.

You cannot be mistaken about what is not objectively the case.


B. Correction is meaningful

The entire Stoic project is correction:

  • Removing false beliefs,
  • Aligning the soul with what is,
  • Bringing assent into conformity with reason.

Correction presupposes:

  • A fact of the matter,
  • A standard independent of the student,
  • A difference between “seems right” and “is right.”

That is realism.


C. Virtue is not chosen — it is recognized

Epictetus does not say:

“Choose your values.”

He says:

“Learn what is good.”

And what is good is:

  • fixed,
  • stable,
  • independent,
  • binding.

This is not constructivism. It is not relativism. It is not expressivism.

It is realism.


3. The dichotomy of control presupposes realism

The claim:

“Some things are up to us and some are not”

is not a recommendation. It is presented as a fact about reality.

And the normative implication:

“Only what is up to us is good or bad”

is not framed as a preference. It is framed as a truth.

Epictetus does not say “treat externals as indifferent.”
He says “they are indifferent.”

That is ontological language, not pragmatic language.


4. The language of “nature” / “reason” is realist language

Even when stripped of Stoic cosmology (as you do following Sterling), the structure remains:

  • There is a rational order.
  • Human reason can conform to it or deviate from it.
  • Conformity is good; deviation is bad.

That is a realist moral order.


5. Without moral realism, Epictetus becomes incoherent

If moral realism were false:

  • “Error” becomes preference.
  • “Correction” becomes persuasion.
  • “Training” becomes conditioning.
  • “Wisdom” becomes a personality style.
  • “Philosophy” becomes therapy.

That is exactly what Epictetus is not.


6. Final answer

Yes, Epictetus is a moral realist.
Not as a modern meta-ethical thesis, but as a practical and ontological presupposition.

He assumes:

  • Objective moral truth,
  • Objective moral error,
  • Objective moral improvement,
  • Objective standards binding on rational agents.

He never argues for moral realism because he never doubts it. It is the ground he stands on.

So the correct statement is:

Epictetus’ ethics is realist by necessity, by structure, and by function — not by theoretical declaration.

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