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By Dave Kelly

Tuesday, November 11, 2025

MAPPING ANCIENT STOICISM TO MODERN AMERICAN POLITICAL CATEGORIES**

 # STERLING-MODE ACTIVATED


## **MAPPING ANCIENT STOICISM TO MODERN AMERICAN POLITICAL CATEGORIES**


This is a challenging question because Ancient Stoicism predates these categories by 2000+ years and operates on fundamentally different assumptions. But let me analyze systematically.


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## **SHORT ANSWER**


**Ancient Stoicism doesn't fit neatly into any modern American political category**, but contains elements that each faction would claim:


- **Liberal aspects**: Cosmopolitanism, equality, social concern

- **Conservative aspects**: Virtue ethics, self-discipline, natural law

- **Libertarian aspects**: Individual autonomy, minimal state intervention, personal responsibility


**Most analogous to**: **Classical Liberalism** (18th-19th century), which influenced both modern conservatism and libertarianism, but differs from contemporary American "liberalism."


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## **DETAILED ANALYSIS BY STOIC DOCTRINE**


### **DOCTRINE 1: Cosmopolitanism**


**Stoic Position**:

> "I am a citizen of the world" (Diogenes, adopted by Stoics)


- All humans share **reason** (logos)

- Natural law applies **universally** (not just to Greeks/Romans)

- Common humanity transcends particular citizenship

- **Moral duties** extend to all rational beings


**Modern Political Mapping**:


**LIBERAL interpretation**:

- ✓ Universal human rights

- ✓ International cooperation

- ✓ Globalism over nationalism

- ✓ Multiculturalism

- **Claim**: "Stoics would support UN, international law, open borders"


**CONSERVATIVE interpretation**:

- ✓ Natural law universally binding

- ✓ Moral truths transcend culture

- ✓ Objective human nature

- ⚠️ But: Stoics cared about particular duties (family, city) first

- **Claim**: "Stoics would support universal moral standards, but within traditional hierarchy"


**LIBERTARIAN interpretation**:

- ✓ Individual autonomy transcends state

- ✓ Voluntary association across borders

- ✓ Free trade/exchange

- **Claim**: "Stoics would oppose nationalism as artificial constraint on voluntary association"


**Verdict**: **All three can claim aspects**, but Stoic cosmopolitanism is **moral/philosophical**, not **political** - it's about recognizing shared rationality, not about policy positions on immigration, trade, etc.


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### **DOCTRINE 2: Natural Law and Virtue**


**Stoic Position**:

- **Objective moral truth** exists (moral realism)

- **Natural law** accessible to reason

- **Only virtue is good** (justice, wisdom, courage, temperance)

- **Character > Consequences**


**Modern Political Mapping**:


**CONSERVATIVE interpretation**: ⭐⭐⭐ **STRONG CLAIM**

- ✓ Natural law tradition (conservative jurisprudence)

- ✓ Objective morality (against moral relativism)

- ✓ Virtue ethics (character matters)

- ✓ Self-discipline and restraint

- ✓ Traditional virtues (courage, temperance, justice, wisdom)

- ✓ Personal responsibility for moral character

- **Conservatives claim**: "Stoicism validates objective morality, virtue ethics, natural law - all conservative positions"


**LIBERAL interpretation**:

- ⚠️ Modern liberalism = **moral pluralism/relativism** (opposite of Stoic moral realism)

- ⚠️ Consequentialism common in liberal ethics (opposite of Stoic virtue ethics)

- ✓ Some progressive natural law (MLK cited natural law for civil rights)

- **Weak claim**: Liberals struggle to claim Stoic natural law/moral realism


**LIBERTARIAN interpretation**:

- ✓ Natural rights tradition (libertarian jurisprudence)

- ✓ Objective moral limits on state power

- ⚠️ But: Many libertarians are moral relativists or consequentialists

- **Mixed claim**: Classical liberal natural law tradition compatible, but modern libertarian utilitarianism isn't


**Verdict**: **CONSERVATIVE has strongest claim** - modern conservatism (especially natural law conservatives like Robert George) directly descends from Stoic natural law tradition.


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### **DOCTRINE 3: Self-Sufficiency (Autarkeia)**


**Stoic Position**:

- **Virtue is sufficient** for eudaimonia

- **Externals are indifferent** (wealth, poverty, health, sickness - neither good nor bad)

- **Independence** from external circumstances

- **Self-discipline** over passions


**Modern Political Mapping**:


**CONSERVATIVE interpretation**: ⭐⭐ **STRONG CLAIM**

- ✓ Personal responsibility (not victim mentality)

- ✓ Self-discipline valued

- ✓ Character over circumstances

- ✓ "Pull yourself up by bootstraps" mentality

- ✓ Virtue more important than material conditions

- **Conservatives claim**: "Stoics prove you can flourish regardless of external circumstances - validates opposition to welfare state"


**LIBERAL interpretation**:

- ⚠️ Modern liberalism emphasizes **systemic factors** (environment shapes outcomes)

- ⚠️ Focus on **external conditions** (poverty, discrimination materially affect wellbeing)

- ⚠️ Stoic "externals are indifferent" contradicts liberal focus on material equality

- ✗ **Weak claim**: Stoicism directly contradicts progressive emphasis on external circumstances


**LIBERTARIAN interpretation**: ⭐⭐⭐ **STRONGEST CLAIM**

- ✓ Individual self-sufficiency (core libertarian value)

- ✓ Don't depend on state for happiness

- ✓ Personal autonomy paramount

- ✓ Virtue internal, not government-provided

- ✓ "Live and let live" - your happiness your responsibility

- **Libertarians claim**: "Stoics prove government can't make you happy - validates minimal state"


**Verdict**: **LIBERTARIAN and CONSERVATIVE both have strong claims** - Stoic self-sufficiency validates personal responsibility over state dependence.


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### **DOCTRINE 4: Indifference to Wealth**


**Stoic Position**:

- **Wealth is indifferent** (neither good nor bad)

- **Poverty is indifferent** (neither good nor bad)

- Sage is equally happy rich or poor

- **But**: Wealth is "preferred indifferent" (rationally selectable)


**Modern Political Mapping**:


**LIBERAL interpretation**:

- ✓ Stoics would oppose **greed**, **materialism**, **consumerism**

- ✓ Wealth shouldn't be primary goal

- ✓ Rich have duties to poor (cosmopolitanism)

- **Liberals claim**: "Stoics would support wealth redistribution, oppose inequality, tax the rich"


**CONSERVATIVE interpretation**:

- ✓ Wealth morally neutral (not inherently corrupt)

- ✓ Poverty not inherently virtuous (not romanticized)

- ✓ Charity is **voluntary** duty (not state-enforced)

- ✓ Personal virtue matters, not material equality

- **Conservatives claim**: "Stoics prove wealth isn't the problem - character is. Private charity, not welfare state"


**LIBERTARIAN interpretation**: ⭐⭐ **STRONG CLAIM**

- ✓ Neither wealth nor poverty is moral issue

- ✓ Economic outcomes **indifferent** (don't use state coercion to equalize)

- ✓ Voluntary exchange fine (preferred indifferent)

- ✓ No envy of rich (their wealth doesn't affect your virtue)

- **Libertarians claim**: "Stoics prove economic inequality is irrelevant - validates free market without redistribution"


**Verdict**: **LIBERTARIAN has strongest claim** - Stoic indifference to wealth/poverty undermines both liberal egalitarianism AND conservative status-seeking.


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### **DOCTRINE 5: Political Duties (Kathēkonta)**


**Stoic Position**:

- **Roles create duties** (father, citizen, friend, etc.)

- **Participate in civic life** (Marcus was Emperor)

- **Justice** is cardinal virtue (give each their due)

- **Social roles** morally significant


**Modern Political Mapping**:


**CONSERVATIVE interpretation**: ⭐⭐⭐ **STRONGEST CLAIM**

- ✓ Traditional roles (family, community, nation)

- ✓ Duties before rights

- ✓ Social responsibility (not atomistic individualism)

- ✓ Civic participation valued

- ✓ Natural hierarchy (roles are real, not social constructs)

- **Conservatives claim**: "Stoics validate traditional social order, duties, roles - organic society"


**LIBERAL interpretation**:

- ✓ Social responsibility (not selfish individualism)

- ✓ Civic engagement (voting, activism)

- ✓ Public service (Marcus as model)

- ⚠️ But: Stoics accepted hierarchical society (slavery, gender roles)

- **Mixed claim**: Can claim civic engagement, must ignore hierarchy


**LIBERTARIAN interpretation**:

- ⚠️ Stoic duties seem to **require** social obligations beyond voluntary contract

- ⚠️ Can't just "opt out" of civic duties

- ⚠️ Natural law creates **obligations**, not just rights

- ✗ **Weak claim**: Stoic social duties contradict libertarian atomistic individualism


**Verdict**: **CONSERVATIVE has strongest claim** - Stoic social roles and duties align with conservative communitarianism against libertarian and liberal individualism.


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### **DOCTRINE 6: Equality**


**Stoic Position**:

- All humans **share reason** (logos)

- All **capable of virtue** (regardless of status)

- **Moral equality** (slave and emperor equal before natural law)

- **But**: Accepted social hierarchy in practice (slavery, gender roles, political inequality)


**Modern Political Mapping**:


**LIBERAL interpretation**: ⭐⭐ **STRONG CLAIM**

- ✓ Fundamental human equality (all have dignity)

- ✓ Equal moral worth (not based on status)

- ✓ MLK cited Stoics for natural law equality

- ⚠️ But: Stoics accepted actual inequality (slavery, etc.)

- **Liberals claim**: "Stoic moral equality logically implies political/economic equality"


**CONSERVATIVE interpretation**:

- ✓ Moral equality before God/natural law

- ✓ Equal human dignity

- ⚠️ But: Doesn't require material equality

- ⚠️ Hierarchy in practice acceptable (merit-based)

- **Conservatives claim**: "Stoics prove moral equality compatible with social hierarchy"


**LIBERTARIAN interpretation**:

- ✓ Equal rights (negative liberty)

- ✓ No natural rulers (reject divine right monarchy)

- ✓ Voluntary association only

- **Libertarians claim**: "Stoic equality validates equal rights, not equal outcomes"


**Verdict**: **LIBERAL and LIBERTARIAN can both claim** - Stoic moral equality has progressive implications, but Stoics didn't draw modern political conclusions from it.


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### **DOCTRINE 7: Slavery**


**Stoic Position**:

- **Morally**: "Slavery is conventional, not natural" (Epictetus was enslaved)

- **Theologically**: All humans equally rational, equally capable of virtue

- **Practically**: Accepted slavery as social institution (didn't advocate abolition)

- **Epictetus**: "Only your prohairesis can be enslaved; external slavery is indifferent"


**Modern Political Mapping**:


**LIBERAL interpretation**:

- ✓ Stoic moral theory **undermines** slavery (all humans rational)

- ✓ Epictetus's experience shows humanity of enslaved

- ✓ Inner freedom transcends external condition

- **Liberals claim**: "Stoics provided moral foundation for abolitionism"


**CONSERVATIVE interpretation**:

- ⚠️ Stoics **accepted** social hierarchy including slavery

- ⚠️ Didn't push for political change

- ⚠️ Worked within system to be virtuous

- **Conservatives claim**: "Stoics prove you can be moral within imperfect system"


**LIBERTARIAN interpretation**:

- ✓ Natural freedom (slavery violates natural liberty)

- ✓ Self-ownership principle

- ✓ Voluntary association only (slavery is coercion)

- **Libertarians claim**: "Stoic moral equality logically implies anti-slavery"


**Verdict**: **All three can claim aspects** - Stoic moral theory undermines slavery, but Stoics didn't advocate abolition. Modern readings see the **logical implications** Stoics didn't act on.


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## **STERLING-MODE ANALYSIS: WHICH MAPPING IS CORRECT?**


### **The Fundamental Problem**


**Modern American political categories are**:

- **Consequentialist** (focused on policy outcomes)

- **Materialist** (focused on economic/material conditions)

- **Rights-based** (focused on individual/group claims)

- **Statist** (focused on government power/programs)


**Ancient Stoicism is**:

- **Virtue-ethical** (focused on character)

- **Internalist** (focused on rational choice)

- **Duty-based** (focused on obligations)

- **Apolitical in sense** (political engagement is duty, but happiness doesn't depend on political outcomes)


**These are fundamentally different frameworks.**


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## **MOST ACCURATE ANSWER**


### **By Doctrine**:


| Stoic Doctrine | Liberal | Conservative | Libertarian |

|----------------|---------|--------------|-------------|

| Cosmopolitanism | ⭐⭐ | ⭐ | ⭐⭐ |

| Natural Law/Virtue | ⭐ | ⭐⭐⭐ | ⭐⭐ |

| Self-Sufficiency | ⭐ | ⭐⭐ | ⭐⭐⭐ |

| Indifference to Wealth | ⭐ | ⭐⭐ | ⭐⭐⭐ |

| Political Duties | ⭐⭐ | ⭐⭐⭐ | ⭐ |

| Equality | ⭐⭐⭐ | ⭐ | ⭐⭐ |

| Anti-Materialism | ⭐⭐ | ⭐⭐ | ⭐⭐ |


### **OVERALL BEST FIT**:


**1. CONSERVATIVE** (especially natural law conservatism) ⭐⭐⭐

- Virtue ethics ✓✓✓

- Natural law ✓✓✓

- Objective morality ✓✓✓

- Traditional roles/duties ✓✓✓

- Personal responsibility ✓✓✓

- Self-discipline ✓✓✓


**2. LIBERTARIAN** (especially classical liberal) ⭐⭐⭐

- Individual autonomy ✓✓✓

- Self-sufficiency ✓✓✓

- Non-dependence on state ✓✓✓

- Economic indifference ✓✓✓

- Voluntary association ✓✓


**3. LIBERAL** (contemporary American) ⭐

- Moral relativism ✗✗✗

- Consequentialism ✗✗

- Material equality focus ✗✗

- Victim mentality ✗✗

- State dependency ✗


**Verdict**: **Ancient Stoicism is closest to CONSERVATIVE (natural law tradition) and LIBERTARIAN (classical liberal), but quite distant from modern LIBERAL.**


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## **HISTORICAL REALITY**


### **Who Actually Claims Stoicism?**


**In Practice**:


**Conservatives**:

- Ryan Holiday's audience (conservative/libertarian tech/business people)

- Military/veteran community (discipline, duty, honor)

- Traditional virtue ethicists

- Natural law theorists (Robert George, J. Budziszewski)


**Libertarians**:

- Silicon Valley stoics (Naval Ravikant, Tim Ferriss)

- Austrian economists (influenced by Stoic self-sufficiency)

- Individualist emphasis


**Liberals**:

- Less common

- Some Buddhist-Stoic fusion (mindfulness movement)

- Academic philosophers (Martha Nussbaum - but she's critical of Stoicism)


**Empirically**: Modern Stoicism appeals primarily to **conservatives and libertarians**, not progressives.


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## **STERLING'S STOICISM SPECIFICALLY**


### **Where Would Sterling Fit?**


**Sterling's Core Stoicism**:

- **Moral realism** (objective truth) → Conservative

- **Natural law** (self-evident principles) → Conservative

- **Virtue ethics** (character primary) → Conservative

- **Individual autonomy** (*prohairesis* sovereign) → Libertarian

- **Self-sufficiency** (externals indifferent) → Libertarian

- **Non-naturalism** (against scientific materialism) → Conservative

- **Libertarian free will** (against determinism) → Conservative/Libertarian


**Likely Political Leanings**: **Conservative or Libertarian** (classical liberal tradition)


**Definitely NOT**: Modern progressive/liberal


**Why**: Sterling's six commitments (substance dualism, libertarian free will, ethical intuitionism, moral realism, foundationalism, correspondence truth) are all **rejected** by modern liberalism (which tends toward materialism, determinism, relativism, pragmatism).


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## **STERLING-MODE FINAL VERDICT**


**Question**: "Is Ancient Stoicism more LIBERAL, CONSERVATIVE, or LIBERTARIAN in the current American sense?"


**Answer**:


**CONSERVATIVE and LIBERTARIAN both have strong claims**; **LIBERAL has weak claim**.


**Most accurate**: Ancient Stoicism is closest to **18th-19th century Classical Liberalism** (which birthed both modern conservatism and libertarianism, but differs from contemporary American "liberalism").


**Key Alignments**:

- **Natural law tradition** → Conservative

- **Virtue ethics** → Conservative

- **Individual autonomy** → Libertarian

- **Self-sufficiency** → Libertarian

- **Objective morality** → Conservative

- **Minimal state dependence** → Libertarian


**Key Conflicts**:

- Modern liberalism's **moral relativism** ✗ Stoic moral realism

- Modern liberalism's **consequentialism** ✗ Stoic virtue ethics

- Modern liberalism's **materialism** ✗ Stoic idealism/dualism

- Modern liberalism's **focus on external conditions** ✗ Stoic "externals indifferent"


**STERLING'S STOICISM SPECIFICALLY**: Even more conservative/libertarian than general Stoicism, due to explicit commitments to moral realism, natural law, substance dualism, libertarian free will - all **opposed** to progressive philosophical assumptions.


**STERLING-MODE STATUS**: ANALYSIS COMPLETE


Ancient Stoicism doesn't fit perfectly into modern categories, but maps most closely to **conservative natural law tradition** and **libertarian classical liberalism**, with minimal overlap with contemporary American progressivism/liberalism.

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